The short answer to that is yes. This is particularly true as you grow older. This was recently brought to my attention by "my London Correspondent" who will remain anon. until she gives me permission to use her first name.
As many of you understand, as we age, the ability of the skin to produce and repair collagen and elastin is impaired: a double whammy when you consider that intrinsic and extrinsic damage in the forms of UV light and sugars are also nibbling away at our skin structure day after day, year after year. So, being smart, and considering all the lasers that cause deliberate damage to the skin in order to increase collagen production, we exfoliate the epidermis to trigger thickening of the dermis. (This is also the modus operandi of Retin A.) The actual thickening of the dermis is caused by the process of inflammation, which is never a good thing for any part of the body.
So are we going too far?
The skin
is composed of the epidemis and dermis, and underlying fat layers. Although the epidermis varies in thickness over different parts of the body, being thickest on the soles of the feet and thinnest on the eyelids, it consists of five distinct layers, which all have an important role to play. These layers from top to bottom are the stratum corneum or horny outer layer, the stratum licidum, stratum granulosum, stratum spinosum and stratum basale.
Forgive me if this is a little too much "Skin 101" for you, but it is important to remember when you are exfoliating every day as I have been doing.
If you look at the diagram, you will see that the cells in the basal layer of the skin are a different shape from those at the top. They appear column-shaped. These cells are alive and have nuclei.
As these cells reproduce, they push those before them upwards through the other layers of skin, flattening out as they do so. During this process, they also die, eventually arriving at the stratum corneum as dead tissue. Here they remain for a couple of weeks or so before naturally sloughing off. (People who have psoriasis have basal cells that reproduce a little too rapidly, causing the epidermis to thicken and appear silvery.) Close to half the cells produced in the basal layer remain to generate daughter cells.
When the cells reach the next layer, the stratum spinosum or "prickly layer," they begin to produce keratin. Keratin is important as it helps the skin perform one of its vital functions: keeping moisture in the body and also keeping moisture out, so that we don't bloat up like soggy balloons in the shower for example. Although I have never seen this written anywhere, I suspect that the horny layer also exerts some pressure on, or provides outer support for the aging dermis, helping to prevent sagging and wrinkling.
The next layer of the epidermis, the stratum granulosum or "granular layer," is also very important to the structure of the epidermis. In this layer, the keratin proteins and water-proofing lipids (fats) are produced and organized to better keep the moisture barrier intact and functioning well. For reason unknown, French skin scientists and product formulators appear to pay far more respect to the well-being of these lower layers than their western counterparts.
The fourth layer of the epidermis, which is just underneath the horny outer layer, is the stratum lucidum or "clear layer." It isn't present all over the body, at least not in any appreciable thickness. It is thickest on the soles and palms and serves as an additional barrier between the stratum granulosum and the stratum corneum. This is significant because it means that in most areas of the body, including the face, neck and décolletage, the very important stratum granulosum is right underneath the stratum corneum.
The outer layer of dead cells that we see and feel is the stratum corneum and nature covered us in it for a very good reason. It keeps out pathogens, further protects the skin from moisture loss by actually absorbing water, and provides some (though not enough) protection from the sun.
Removing this outer layer by constantly exfoliating (either by physical means such as ground fruit pits or chemical means such as alpha-hydroxy acids) also disrupts the important barrier function provided by lipid lamellae (ceramides, cholesterol and free fatty acids) in the lower stratum corneum and stratum granulosum.
However, the outermost layer is normally between 15 and 20 cell layers thick. Considering most of us use moisturizer and sunscreen, this thickness isn't always necessary. That said, it doesn't require exfoliating every single day in order to remove the outermost layer of cells that make the skin appear dull and often flaky. Once (at most twice) a week is sufficient. Daily exfoliation is fine for adolescents and people in their 20s, whose basal skin layers are turning over cells more efficiently, but not such a good idea when the skin is spending longer renewing itself.
As my London Correspondent pointed out, the "uglies" she (and many women) experience after aggressive skin treatments seem to be associated with the removal of the epidermal layer in order to generate growth and repair in the dermis. The uglies often involve sagging and temporary wrinkling, possibly due to the decimation of the outer support layers. (Although no one actually tells you this...) In the case of younger people, whose dermis is strong and well-supported, and whose epidermis turns over more quickly, daily exfoliation is beneficial.
My London Correspondent referred me to a paper by Desmond Fernandes, MB, BCh, FRCS(Edin), a plastic and reconstructive surgeon practising in Cape Town, entitled Minimally Invasive Percutaneous Collagen Induction. It is a fascinating read about the use of a dermarolling technique. In part, Dr. Fernandes asks,
Why destroy the epidermis to make the skin smoother? The epidermis is an extremely complex, highly specialized organ. It may be only 0.2 mm thick but it is our sole protection from the environment. We should never damage the epidermis unless the risk of leaving the epidermis intact is greater than the risk of removing it. Wrinkles are hardly a good excuse to destroy this wonderfully complex interface that we have with the world. Whatever we do, we should try to ensure that the basic normal architecture of the skin is never altered. To rejuvenate facial skin and really look young, we need a perfect epidermis with natural dermal papillae, good hydration, normal color, and normal resilience.
Dr. Fernandes briefly discusses the introduction and use of lasers and their effects on dermal and epidermal tissue. I thought this was most interesting:
Smoothing skin is still most effectively done by CO2 laser through the aggressive heat damage that is caused. No other technique can match it, but at the same time, CO2 laser causes the most complications. A significant problem is that deep treatments like this stimulate fibrosis rather than new, naturally oriented collagen formation. This fibrosis may result in a much whiter reflectance from the dermis, giving the skin an unnatural pallor. The sad fact is that several years after the treatment, the collagen will be resorbed—as all scar collagen is—and fine wrinkles will start to show as a result of the thin epidermis with no dermal papillae. The impaired hydration of the skin means that it is not as plump as it could be and can look atrophic due to this excessive destruction.
Better ways to encourage growth in the dermis
Better ways to thicken the dermis include the ingestion of L-carnosine and use of a skin cream containing L-carnosine. (You can add L-carnosine powder to your favorite skincare preparation as well.) L-carnosine can be purchased online through SkinActives. IPL therapy also increases dermal thickness but comes with some risk as some women have experienced pitting and divoting after being treated with the high energy lamps in their dermatologist's office. Amber light home treatment wands are safer, but the jury's still out on whether or not they actually work effectively. (If you use an amber light wand such as the Anti-aging Lightstim, be sure to use an antioxidant cream before hand to prevent free radical damage. Green tea creams or a light spraying with green tea before use is recommended.)
Fractional lasers can help firm the dermis and deal with superficial, mild wrinkling and appear to have fewer incidences of damage than radiofrequency devices such as Thermage. I prefer to think of fractional laser treatments as preventive though, and only if you really can afford them. They work by creating channels of damage for the body to repair, which is far less risky than deliberately damaging the entire dermis.
Many women swear by the use of vacuum devices such as the Vaculifter, available from NCN Professional Skincare. (Nanci over there is very helpful so ask away...) These work by stressing the dermis and causing it to "defend" itself by thickening. Then there are dermarollers, which pierce the skin with fine needles, causing the dermis to similarly react and thicken. (It is important to use a dermaroller correctly, and penetration should be deep. The procedure should not be carried out superficially several times a month, but deeply and less often, so that the skin is not in a perpetual state of inflammation and has time to heal. For an interesting discussion on this, please visit the EDS forum thread on dermarolling and look for the entries by "Bethany" who is a deep dermaroller and is extremely informed on the topic.)
The good thing about all these methods is that they encourage the formation of new collagen while keeping the epidermis intact as nature intended.
"Regret for the things we did can be tempered by time; it is regret for the things we did not do that is inconsolable." Sydney Harris
Saturday, October 10, 2009
Can exfoliation damage the skin?
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Well, it took me a long time to read but I couldn't agree more. I have had the uglies on and off for over a year. Some days it is frightening. It happens about three days after using AHAs. My skin actually looks saggy. I had never even considered that the epidermis could prop up the dermis but it makes sense. I have also used copper cream and had the same thing happen. You mentioned you had over exfoliated. How could you tell? Lee
Very informative post, thanks. Btw what do you think about the Clarisonic? I am wondering whether to use it or not. I have psoriasis - dandruff and my lips are always peeling. My skin is not sensitive so I am wondering whether the Clarisonic would be beneficial for me. I just don't want to be over abrassive.
This is so interesting. I have long thought that we are wearing down our skin with all these heavy duty active ingredients, and exfoliation etc. One of the most beautiful skins I know belonged to my aunt who sadly isn't with us any more. She used Ivory soap and Vaseline. She was 80 but had the skin of a women much younger. One of her favorite sayings was "Leave your skin alone and it will thank you."
This is interesting! I was using Copper Peptides a little while back, the daily routine encouraged daily exfoliation prior to using the copper peptides and I was always afraid of these "uglies" that I kept reading about - but I never did get them and I used to wonder why, but this explains it - I was only in my late 20's and so my skin could probably still keep up with the daily exfoliation.
(For the record - I now use it only about once a week and thus exfoliate once a week since I already got the results I wanted and an only using it as maintenance now.)
Hi Rosina,
Yes you can mention my name!
Great factual reporting, Rosina.
You've uncovered so much more information and explained in a detailed but uncomplicated way something I knew but didn't understand.
Hopefully many women will read this and stop the damage they are misguided into doing on a daily basis.
My skin has thankfully returned to it's glorious state since throwing away the dermatologist's AHA creams and serums!
Hi...
I get dry and rough skin during winter. Thank you so much for explaining the internal structure of normal skin deeply here. It make me clear about the reason behind my rough skin.
Anon October 10: My facial skin just looked "thin." I backed off and it is looking way better.
Anon October 11: Even with psoriasis, I would be very careful of over-exfoliation as it encourages cell production, which is already in overdrive. I would just buff lightly with one of those microfiber facial cloths rather than whirr away with a gadget.
Ellen, so much of what our grandmothers said makes sense, doesn't it?
Second Anon October 11: Copper peptides are associated with "the uglies" but I think it has more to do with the daily exfoliation that precedes them. I used them for a while. They didn't do anything for my skin but I didn't have any issues really. I didn't use AHAs or exfoliate either. So I never saw the uglies that so many women report.
Miranda, I am getting around to emails. Its been migraine city these past few days due to weather systems moving in and out. I'm so glad your skin has improved. I don't trust those AHAs.
Jeux, bonjour! Very mild exfoliation and a good barrier moisturizer should work wonders for winter skin. Heating systems and air movement (wind) can draw moisture from the skin extremely quickly which is why our skin flakes in the colder months.
I am just getting started on a series of Neostrata very light glycolic acid peels at my derm's office. He says it is more effective the microderm at improving the fine lines/hyper pigmentation/large pores I am battling. The treatment course is one peel every two weeks over the course of 6 months for a total of 12 peels, going gradually up in strength as the skin adjusts. Now I am concerned about whether I should keep going after reading this info about the benefit of the dermis. So far my skin has looked better after the treatment (even my husband noticed) with no side effects except than a stubborn whitehead finally dissolved. Rosina and anyone else, do you have comments about fruit acid peels including Neostrata?
Thanks.
Hi Anon, October 13. How's that for a fast answer! A couple of things hit me when reading this. First, very light glycolic acid peels performed at two-week intervals is not a frequency that would concern me. The epidermis has enough between-time to build up again before the next thinning (particularly if you are on the younger side of middle age). It's the overly aggressive daily exfoliation with AHAs and/or physical means that wears down the epidermis. So I wouldn't worry.
Secondly, the fact that you are looking better and your husband has commented on this is proof that something "right" is happening.
Dear Anon Oct 13 8:50pm - I was doing something similiar with my EX-dermatologist.
Neo-strata AHA nightly cream and Neo-strata glycolic daily cream (both relatively mild exfoliating creams) with once every 3-6 week mild acid peels. My skin began to glow but lines appeared and N/L folds deepened. Basically the derm. thinned my epidermis causing my skin to look exceedingly clear but without strength. I started this routine in May but ended in September by which time I went from looking 10 years younger to looking my age of 41. In the end, my skin felt and looked paper thin, which I have managed to reverse but the lines are still there.
Please be very very careful, this regime is fine if you have skin like a old french fisherman (ie like leather) but anything else more normal be wary (I only had a few monthly hormonal spots leaving pigmentation and large pores on cheeks).
If anything detrimental appears, ask questions. My derm. kept brushing me off with vague answers such as "you only see the lines because you're focussing more on your skin"... What rubbish, I had too many comments of 'you look tired' or 'have you lost weight on your face' (my face is already slim so this isn't a good thing) and I knew the lines had appeared from nowhere.
My regime with the nightly/daily cream was more aggressive than yours, just make sure with your peels you are using a gentle, non-exfoliating moisturiser every day/night.
I second that last sentence, Miranda. I am assuming that Anon isn't using the Neo-Strata in between the peels. Given your experience, though, she might.
I have more to write on this topic and am trying to interview a dermatologist who wrote a very informative article on why the epidermis must stay intact. I read this last night and it confirms everything you have said and more.
My skin looks better after exfoliating and I am 45 but I take heed. If I see this happening to me, I will stop and reconsider. Thanks for the other side though.
Hello, again, especially Miranda who has the experience:
I am the Anonymous who originally posted with question about Neostrata. And I am also 45 like the Oct 14 anonymous! ;)
I am using Neostrata creams between peels. The creams he has me using are: Neostrata bionic serum(polyhydroxy formula PHA 10 under Neostrata face cream (Gluconolactone, also a polyhydroxy w/PHA 10) at night. In the day I use the eye cream and the daytime protection cream with SPF 15 (Gluconolactone, PHA 10)
The only reason I am on th ebionic serum is I pointed out to the esthetician who does the peel that i was noticing more horizontal lines on my forehead after a month using the products (to adjust my skin for safe peeling). She said she has the same problem and started using the serum.
I'm getting nervous! What can I do to take care of horizontal lines and age spots that is SAFE? Rosina, it's another article for you!--Anonymous age 45 in Minnesota
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